some studies tell that in many est-europe countries, before communism was possible to find a breach of class (hungary and "ex"cecoslovacchia) and in others not (romania, poland). it was because in the first countries: the level of industrialization and urbanization was high, or better, at the same level of west europe; the alphabetization was quite quite high as well, actually alphabetization was higher in cecoslovacchia and hungary than pourtugal, greece and italy. so there were structural conditions which permit to a breach (cleavage in french, I guess) of class to exist. in the second group of countries the absence of this conditions avoided this breach to emerge and instead of it other breaches came out: nationalist, countryside/bourgeoisie, religious.
after the communism, empiric studies affirm that, nevertheless years and years of communism, the old breaches has been freezing in these countries. Naturally, like for west country, the end of ideologies transformed the political contest, not anymore ideologies fighting with looked at the breach of class, but a contest on economic-socials issues. actually in czech republic and hungary we have this kind of competition, like in the west of europe. In romania for example the political contest is signed by other breaches even now.
but what about estonia? I would like try to look what the situation in estonia and all your advice and consideration are welcome. after 8 months in estonia l saw that the political contest is not signed by economical-social issues, but by breach of ethnic. the absence of breach of class before communism and above all the different composition of "estonian" state after the communism put at the centre of the political life the ethnic issues and (above all for new generation) nationalist/cosmopolitan. ethnic issue because the big russian minority is one of the most issue present in every political debates, but I look with interest at the breach of the nationalist/cosmopolitan because l saw that for the new generation the conflict native/russian is less important than for them parents, while is taking importance the discussion about the relation with the world outside estonia. many nationalist (fascist) young in one side and cosmopolitan in the other.
in this topic we should consider which grade of impact had the 30th april 2007 when estonian government decided to move the monument of red army soldier, making russian community angry. this decision induced them at riots of ethnic nature.
by the way I think that is still early for the end of the ethnich breach
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"nationalist (fascist)"
Only fascist (or rather neonazis – you ment that) I have met eye to eye were “big-Russia chauvinists” in Sankt Petersburg last year
no comments on that idea... it would be like "cosmopolitan (communist).
But this isn't the topic. Having lived in this “Soviet Union” I have to say that this was the real example of class-society where ones status was defined by their access to the goods and services (only those who had "connections", social capital and money"). In every possible sense is this “capitalist” bourgeois society much more humane and ironically even much more fair.
When in Soviet Union you had to be on higher social position and have money to buy car of even bike, then in this "capitalist" society you only need money. You don't need to be "upper class". But in Soviet Union it was unavoidable.
well the first point
l linked nationailst with fascist just because l was impressed by the high number of fascist and second reason l wanted also and above all joke with some guy, who l know, that will read my blog:) I know that not all the nationalist are fascist.
about cosmopolitian (communist), actually if you get, l didn t link cosmopolitian with communist.
in fact one thingh that l wanted inderectly say is that in a country where there wasn t structural conditions to have a breach of class (for breach of class l ONLY mean workers/factory owner), it was also difficult to have the "ideological" sense of communism and or socialism. the proof is that in estonia there isn t a strong workers party, there isn t a strong union trade.
I m really critic about sovietic sistem, and I have many doubts about this wild capitalism. but I didn t want comparate capitalism with communism because I think that there isn t sense. what should be the point?
my post was not a politic idea but an empiric consideration
Hello Chri! I ve told you to avoid political comments, there can cause a lot of discusion (just joking:). I would like Ats to give us more details of his/her background, where did he/she live (I mean which soviet republic) what is his/her age (just to have an idea of the period of he/she refers to :)
About the comparison of communism and capitalism, I ve read an interesting article in baltimore chronicle about how our system is socialistic when it comes to upper classes and wild capitalism when it comes to lower classes.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2007/121307Floyd.shtml
Any comments?
Hm... you know Chri, in some countries time is different than in Italy :P My clock has GREEK time!!!
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